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THIS IS OFFICIAL !! + +=========================================+ @END_FILE_ID.DIZ ----------- BBS ADDS ABOVE ---------------------------------------------- Okay guys.. THIS IS OFFICIAL !! COMMODORE IS DEAD... Read the text below and find out yourself !!! Also, at the bottom is another text from an ex-Amiga engineer that opens his book... --- cut --- #: 141508 S3/Hot News and Rumors 30-Apr-94 04:19:01 Sb: #It's Official (CBM) Fm: ASDGTechSupport 76004,1765 To: ALL AP 04/29 20:18 EDT V0623 Copyright 1994. The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. WEST CHESTER, Pa. (AP) -- Commodore International Ltd., a pioneer in the personal computer industry, said late Friday it is going out of business. The company plans to transfer its assets to unidentified trustees "for the benefit of its creditors" and has placed its major subsidiary, Commodore Electronics Ltd., into voluntary liquidation. "This is the initial phase of an orderly voluntary liquidation of both companies," Commodore said in a brief statement. Company executives could not immediately be reached Friday evening. The company last month reported an $8.2 million loss for the quarter ending Dec. 31 on sales of $70.1 million. A year earlier, Commodore lost $77.2 million on sales of $237.7 million in the same period. In the latest report, Commodore said financial limits had thwarted its ability to supply products, leading to weakened sales. One of its new products, the Amiga CD32 video game, had sold poorly in Europe, where the company did most of its business. The company's net worth turned negative in the fiscal year ended last June 30. Its stock, which had traded at around $3 per share before the quarterly results were announced last month, closed unchanged at 87 1/2 cents per share on the New York Stock Exchange Friday. "This is a company that briefly captured the attention of the American market and didn't go where the market was going," said David Coursey, editor of the newsletter P.C. Letter in San Mateo, Calif. "They just never managed to change with the marketplace." While grabbing some market share and attention in the late 1970s, Commodore's products were something between PCs and game machines "and never quite became either," Coursey said. Commodore started 40 years ago as a typewriter repair company in the Bronx. Its extension to the adding machine business paved the way for it to make calculators and then personal computers by the mid-1970s. Commodore competed with Radio Shack for the first computers sold to homes and co-founder Jack Tramiel became a highly-regarded figure in the fledgling PC industry. By the early 1980s, it was overshadowed in the PC business by Apple Computer Inc. and IBM. Software manufacturers didn't create as much software for Commodore's Amiga line as it did for Apple and IBM-compatible machines. In recent years, most of Commodore's business was in Europe. NewTek Inc. of Topeka, Kan., created a product called Video Toaster that converted Commodore's Amiga to a video-editing system. The $2,500 product was popular with small advertising agencies and home hobbyists. The company's phones were busy Friday night. --- cut --- Text 2. --- cut --- There are also a couple of non-engineering folks remaining like one person in personnel, etc. The total is about 22 according to those at the lunch. The notion that "the U.S. company is going down the tubes but the U.K. will save things" is a total, complete fantasy. Won't happen. The remaining staff (almost all engineering) believes that they are being kept till the last possible minute in order to keep the sale of the technology as attractive as possible to prospective buyers. Anyway, all you folks out there who desire to cling to your hopes, dreams and fantasies, well ... * This message forwarded from area 'comp.sys.amiga.misc' (C.S.A.MISC) * Original message dated 29 Apr 94, from Traveler Ltd. A few things need to be sorted out re: several misconceptions regarding Commodore, it's structure, it's demise, the layoffs and the like. I realize that trying to inject reality into the .misc and .advocacy groups is a short, true path to insanity but here it goes... First, the layoffs ... 1. Last Friday (April 22) approx 15 people were let go from West Chester. These included the person doing the payroll. 2. Last Friday Commodore Semiconductor Group was (finally) closed and the approx 15 people there were let go. 3. Last Friday, the "rumor" (it turned out to be fact) was that this week ("tuesday or wednesday" was the common wisdom) engineering would follow in their footsteps. 4. On Tuesday (April 26, the engineers who would not be there the next day (for whatever reasons) were told that they were history and not to worry about coming back. 5. On Tuesday, plans were laid for a big "lunch party" at Margarita's (the semi-official CBM watering hold where many "after layoffs" and "going away" parties have been held over the years.) 5. On Wednesday the expected layoffs occurred. Over 50 people were at the party (including yours truly) and much was said about what is and isn't real about the current situation. More on that later. 6. Remaining at CBM are : Software : Allan Havemose (department head) David Junod Eric Cotton Hardware : Jeff Frank (department head) Dave Haynie Greg Berlin Fred Bowen CATS Carolyn Scheppner Wayne Lutz (John Campbell, head of CATS, was let go) LSI Ted Lenthe (department head) Jeff Dean Rich Llewellyn (and two more I can't remember - sorry guys) Other engineering folks remaining: Ian Kirschemann (assistant to Jeff Frank) Dan Faust (lab tech) Lew Eggebrecht ('m sure I'm missing a couple.) There are also a couple of non-engineering folks remaining like one person in personnel, etc. The total is about 22 according to those at the lunch. Now Commodore... There is no difference between the US operations and the UK or German operations. None. They all get machines designed and engineeried by the folks at West Chester. The phrase "U.S. Operations" refers to the US sales and mareting departments, just as "U.K. operations" refers to the sales and marketing departments in the UK. It does _not_ refer to engineering nor Commodore Internation Ltd. (CIL) which was "the business". CIL was nuked completely last Friday. The notion that "the U.S. company is going down the tubes but the U.K. will save things" is a total, complete fantasy. Won't happen. In fact, the U.S. sales company has been history for some time now. I guess no one bothered to consult with the net about it (G) . At the Wednesday lunch the information came out that 1. There are only 3 people remaining in the U.K. operation. 2. There are only 2 people remaining in the German operation. 3. There are only 3 people at the Phillipines manufacturing plant (which is closed, by the way) 4. All the other companies, world wide, have been, or are being, "liquidated". 4. The subject of the Canadian company never came up but I would have to assume that it's no better off than the UK company. The remaining staff (almost all engineering) believes that they are being kept till the last possible minute in order to keep the sale of the technology as attractive as possible to prospective buyers. There would still be people available to hand off the technology. However, one of the (remaining) managers, when asked point blank "how much longer does it really have?" replied "oh, two to three weeks." The problem with this proposed sale of the technologies is that it's hard to them to separate out parts of the company to sell because so many creditors want their share. Mariott is still owed approx $350,000 for last year's Devcon, for example. These notions that "the UK will become the base of the new operations" and that "CBM is moving there" is complete BS. As Mr. Barrett correctly pointed out, few, if any, of the remaining staff would move there - especially not to work for Mehdi (would you???). Also, the company can't afford to make ONE machine, much less move people to England and make enough to support the staff. They are not paying severance pay to those they lay off. In reference to several things said over the past couple of days : >I just ping'd Dave Haynie's workstation, and it was alive as of 10 minutes >ago. Pinging machines inside CBM doesn't mean a thing. The hardware could be left on for weeks with no one there to use them. Also, whenever there are layoffs like this, the systems are shut down for a period of time to prevent reprisals from unhappy employees. Once the ex-employees' accounts are fixed to kill their access, the machines come back on-line. >The company intends to continue operations overseas with the UK becoming >the primary office. If this is so, was the office always just three people? Does this represent a _growing_ number? (g) >Are the various C=s (eg UK, US the defunct C= Australia) all separate >companies? Only in the sense that they all operate(d) under different legal rules. But they all took their cues from West Chester. Cut off the head and the snake dies. >Even the Amiga, if it survives, is going down the Microsoft path (Windows >NT for example) The Windows NT Amiga thing was _never_ more than a pipe dream of Misters Eggebrecht and Pleasance. None of the engineers ever believed it. Nor was it ever even proposed as a real project. >Commodore UK will ride the wave for another year or so, marketing the >current stock, but then it too will go down - it has no real engineers of >its own. What current stock? >Please understand this: CBM USA might be dead, but the Amiga is _VERY_ well >alive!!!!!!!!!! It will continue selling just like before, and we have >nothing to worry about support because in the first place we never got any >from C=. > >So, don't panic, Amiga has a long way to go, and the upcoming AAA Amigas >will make a big splah when they come out (they'll give SGI a run for the >money). You've been into the weed again, haven't you? Or just spending too much time with Jim Drew. Man, oh man. Who the hell do you think MAKES Amigas? Geez. Harv's posting about his phone conversation with the CBM employees paints an accurate picture (which I must admit surprised me a bit :)) I will be attending the "death vigil party" (as Randell calls it - he called to invite me yesterday) this weekend. It should be interesting. Quite a few ex engineering folks are going to be there (Bryce, Lauren Brown, Andy ...) Anyway, all you folks out there who desire to cling to your hopes, dreams and fantasies, well ... Brian Jackson - ex Amiga engineer --- cut --- And finally : C= UK and GERMANY can't do anything aboutnthis, they will be sold as 'assets' of CBM... Philips will probably (not confirmed) buy the CD32 technology. There is still hope for the AMiga, NewTek and Scala are told to be interested. Brief : C= is gone, dead, over and out.. We can only hope that soemone will take over the Amiga and continue development... And for the ones that haven't lost all hope... Here's a little message from CompuServe... --- cut --- ************************************************************************ * DO YOU WANT TO KNOW THE LATEST ON THE COMMODORE SITUATION? * ************************************************************************ * * * Join Mike Levin, the leader of the Commodore Shareholders Movement * * Sunday night at 9pm EST. This conference was put together quickly * * because of the rapidly changing situation with Commodore. * * * * You might be interested in Mike's spin on all of this. The pending * * liquidation could well turn out to be the best thing for the Amiga. * * * * -mark= * * * ************************************************************************ --- cut --- The end. 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